That is, if something is nothing.

“The better a game is for speedrunning, the better it is in general.”

Like I said, I could think of more than one thing this could mean, not to mention that not every game (including plenty that I knew the person who said it to me liked) is appropriate for speedrunning anyway. But it wasn’t just meant as some cliche “the more you put in, the more you get out” thing, nor a suggestion that games be “convenient” for speedrunners (though games in which the character moves unreasonably slowly or that feature long stretches of nothing interesting still don’t do so well by this mantra, perhaps rightly). The idea is that a good game features interesting, often varied ways to achieve goals that are satisfying to play out, and it’s one that I’ve come to agree with overall.

That may sound a bit much like a “a game is good if it’s fun”-style tautology, but the game we were talking about at the time was Sega’s turn-based military shooter Valkyria Chronicles. I’ve talked to a lot of people who were annoyed by the game’s overbearing focus on executing missions quickly, as the ranking you get at the end of each mission (which is tied into various kinds of rewards) is based entirely on how many turns it took you to achieve the goal. There’s basically no benefit whatsoever to avoiding casualties or inflicting tons upon the other side, which sounds great for speedrunning, right? Unfortunately, most missions have pretty basic “capture a point (surrounded by a few guys)” or “kill a major enemy” type goals, so as far as we could tell the optimal strategy on at least 3/4 of the levels in the game involved running a single unit (usually the main heroine, who has solid if not top damage against both single targets and closely grouped enemies) down a pretty obvious path (as there’s usually only a couple routes that offer any sort of cover) over a couple of turns, then assassinating the target(s) for the finale. I’m not sure if the game has evolved past that point as I haven’t really followed it, but if it hasn’t it’s pretty much the exact kind of thing we would consider “not that interesting.”

All of this is just a lead in for me to admit that Devil May Cry 3 isn’t the greatest game if your main goal is just to beat the game as fast as you can, either. It’s still a good game, easily the most enjoyable I’ve ever spent a significant amount of time speedrunning, and I absolutely consider it one of my favorites games in general. But like Valkyria, rushing through obscures many of the possible facets of playing the game. The difference is that DMC3 actually keeps track of those other aspects and rewards you for mastering them, making the most fun and rewarding way to play the game a lot more than just mashing through everything, and it does this all while presenting a variety of ways to play that offer different advantages in those elements.

The assessment the game gives you at the end of each playthrough of a mission rates you in five different categories:

  • Time. Faster play means a higher ranking, hopefully not surprisingly. You can still afford a certain number of mistakes and detours, and due to the other categories the latter are often necessary for a high composite ranking (which is a benefit, as after a few times learning where everything is it’s not difficult to move directly through objectives and play quickly). Either way, this is a category that rewards precise, purposeful play, like you commonly see in speedrunning.
  • Stylish Points are DMC3’s main way of assessing your offensive skills. Using your best one or two attacks over and over isn’t considered “stylish,” so you have to mix it up to build and maintain your stylish rating (and there’s benefit to taking a breather from attacking to taunt enemies, as well). The rating also decreases significantly if you get hit, so maneuvering around attacks is also important. The more enemies you kill with a high rating, and the longer you have it up there in general, the higher your stylish “score” is at the end of the mission.
  • Orbs are the game’s currency, obtained when enemies die and occasionally other hittable objects and places in each level. Enemies who die when your stylish bar is higher drop more orbs, which means this is fairly closely related to the previous criterion, but sometimes this isn’t enough to cover the spread and you’ll have to find some optional enemies to pick up some extras.
  • Damage Taken is the game’s primary defensive rating. Getting hit is bad. This is a fairly generous goal on lower difficulties, but on “Dante Must Die” the game expects you to avoid everything. The other side of this is that everything is possible to avoid getting hit by! That’s good.
  • Items primarily include healing items and other things that aren’t too helpful if you aren’t getting hit anyway. However, one of the items you can buy and use is a “Holy Water” which deals a huge amount of damage to nearby enemies. While you obviously don’t get Stylish rating for using a menu, there are many fights where you can only attack on certain “cycles” of the enemy’s pattern. By using Holy Water you can increase the damage you land in each cycle by a large amount and reduce the amount of chances you have to get hit (not to mention the enemies who become instantly stunned when you use it, thereby allowing you to hit them even more and faster). As a result, items are viewed as a pretty big crutch by the developers and using any type of consumable will raise your item score above 0 and prevent you from getting an “S” rank in the category.

The game averages your five rankings and gives you a overall rating. There are two kinds of rewards; first, gaining an “SS” on every mission on a given difficulty (which means earning an S in each of the 5 categories, as opposed to an “S” average gained from, for example, 4 S’s and one A) gives some cool unlocks like overpowered characters. Second, the game gives you a certain amount of bonus orbs after each mission, and the higher your rating is, the larger that bonus is. As a result, it’s hugely rewarding to earn those SS rankings on a few early missions in a speedrun, as more buying power helps you gain useful upgrades (such as the double jump) earlier. That said, it’s not really worth going out of your way to kill anything in a speedrun, obviously, but it does stand out as a bit of a tactical concern.

In fact, it almost sounds too risky for a marathon…get hit once on level 1 and you’re behind the curve for the rest of the game? I’m pretty sure this is why Flicky set the category to New Game +, to save all that menu/resource management time and distill the game to pure action for the viewers. To balance out we’re playing on Very Hard, where the enemies can still kinda put up a fight and don’t die immediately (DMD isn’t a good option since it’s got kind of a nasty tendency to make fights really long and stressful). Although it’s not the best speedrun possible, it should be a solidly fun run to play and watch, without much risk of run-ruining disasters. But with everything needed already purchased there’s not a lot of strategy left for Vergil, just practice and memorization. He can access all of his options at once, and while Dante can’t, he still benefits a lot since he has more purchases to make and strong abilities that don’t open up on a first play until later in the game (particularly Devil Trigger and his last weapon). I think that’s okay. I don’t really want this run to be more grinding than it already is.

Vergil’s inclusion as a playable character in the game was meant as a bonus for the “special edition” rerelease, so naturally he’s kind of overpowered. Like in Marvel vs Capcom 3, he’s not rounded like Dante, just really strong on offense with some teleporting shenanigans to boot. He has three weapons, and gets to carry them all the time: a fast, basic sword like Dante’s Rebellion; a large, slower katana; and the melee weapon that Dante gets in the main game after defeating Vergil for the second time. Unlike Dante, he doesn’t get any guns, but his summoned swords are way more powerful (at least in terms of killing things quickly) than any of them anyway. You can mash them constantly when you’re not getting hit, which is a huge damage increase against everything, especially during times when you otherwise have to back off or are too far away to do normal attacks. As a result, pretty much the only important purchases speed-wise for Vergil are Devil Trigger upgrades and sword damage increases, as his basic abilities are more than enough to carry everything else. Obviously if resource is not a concern anyway then you may as well buy most of the other upgrades and get a reasonable amount of health as well (but not too much! There’s a room on Mission 15 (out of 20) where it generally saves time to kill yourself as Vergil because of a jump that he can’t do reliably without killing all the enemies in the room), although ironically I think Rapid Slash is pretty useless in DMC3 and makes the game harder to play because it means you have to be less lazy in certain situations (due to the input it overrides).

Anyway, the main concern for Vergil playthroughs is physically mashing out summon swords while doing everything else you need to. In the Japanese community it’s customary to use turbo controllers to automatically handle this, but SDA doesn’t allow the use of features like that if they’re not on first-party controllers, so the main challenge for me has been to find a button layout that’s, if not comfortable (setting sword to a trigger is really the only option, but even then pressing it 1000 times in two hours is pretty severe), then at least possible to work with. In the end I went with a pretty default layout, but with summon swords on the left trigger (which usually activates Devil Trigger), and Devil Trigger on R2 (since there are also long periods of time where you have to hold that down, because it charges up an explosion that does tons of damage). So I can mash triggers with my left hand to throw swords and change weapons, and hold down triggers with my right hand to charge explosions and manage targets, while doing main movement and attacks with the analog stick and buttons. It all kinda works, just barely.

I still wish I had an arcade stick for this game though.

But while Vergil is a clear winner in the speed category, he’s really just an efficient killing machine and doesn’t have many opportunities for unnecessary styling. (Once again, this probably sounds familiar if you follow fighting games.) And if you’re not playing for raw speed, then DMC3 is all about style. Dante has a few different ability sets, which the game actually calls “styles,” that affect his game a lot more. One of them is the Trickster, which is weak offensively but can move effectively and makes avoiding damage a lot easier in some situations. On the other hand, you have the Swordmaster, who’s able to deal a lot more damage in most situations and pretty good at building up the Stylish meter. Or there’s Gunslinger if you really want to go crazy with your combos and don’t care about lousy damage and mobility. I know that I’ve barely scratched the surface of the game’s other possibilities, but even knowing they’re there amazes the hell out of me.

Unfortunately, there’s also a fourth main style, which completely breaks the game if you put in the work. I’m not really convinced that playing Royal Guard in a single-segment run is practical, and it’s not at all necessary to SS any mission, but for segmented speedruns I think it obviously wins because it takes out a lot of the back-and-forth flow of boss fights and the evasion involved in not getting killed and instead allows you to block attacks when they come in and use the damage you would’ve taken to hit the enemy in return. The timing is really tight, like most “parry” moves in fighting games, so this is hardly trivial, but even more than Vergil I find that it seems to remove a lot of the cool planning and crazy options that you get in favor of raw execution. I respect that, but I don’t have to like it.

But after all this ranting about how things work I’ve barely even gotten to what I like. Even when you’re just starting out and not pulling off insane action sequences, the game just feels amazing while you’re playing it, with the controls spot on and (aside from a couple of awkward angle shifts) no monkeying with the camera. Each style and weapon has cool options and certain disadvantages, and the game never has anything that feels paint-by-numbers. The combat is a crazy dreamscape where you can do more things than I could ever imagine, and to have that in a single-player framework that also provides a lot of different scenarios to play with is far too rare. (One game I may write about soon, which has a surprising amount of overlap with DMC3’s fans (at least in English-speaking regions), is similar, though!) The art design is fantastic, from the seedy back-alleys on stage 1 to the increasingly distorted world and creepy black-and-white hell of the later stages. The alternate costumes, and Devil Trigger designs by SMT series demon designer Kazuma Kaneko (most reminiscent of his work on Digital Devil Saga) are sick as hell, too. The industrial soundtrack hits all the right notes, especially the shit-talking battle themes. For as much as I like God Hand and Bayonetta, DMC3’s two closest relatives, neither of them have ever gotten me as amped as this game. And neither one lets you fight a demonic chess set with a sniper rifle, a magical ray gun, a three-sided ice nunchaku, and a bat-shooting-witch-scythe-guitar.

Really, it’s just that simple.


2 comments on “That is, if something is nothing.

  1. “Gives ya chills, don’t it?”

    The high level game play for DMC impresses the hell out of me. Especially since I only discovered videos of it recently and realized how good of a job MvC3 did incorporating Dante and Virgil into the game. Considering I have not played the DMC games minus half of DMC1. But I watch this, and I want to try it so bad hahaha. So stylistic!

    “You’re going down!”

    So it seems you have a lot of the theory for speedrunning in checking. How’s the actual practice/runs coming along I assume you’re trying at least, or maybe you’re waiting until after King of Iron Fresh and/or NEC to work on that. (I think you said AGDQ is done after both those events). I definitely do see the differences between Dante and Virgil. Dante has a LOT of style where-as Virgil is pure practicality. If I DID have to choose between Dante and Virgil to watch, Dante would be hella amusing in the right hands, but I feel Virgil would be a true speedrun. I suppose one or the other will be decided for AGDQ.

    “Jackpot! Yeah, baby!”
    After watching the videos linked on here, I’m definitely getting an IDEA of what to expect from a speedrun for DMC3. While it does seem practical as a whole, there is a strong sense of natural swagger that will impress people such as myself:Ones who have seldom even played or seen the game. Either version looks super hot to me.

    “You dare challenge the son of Sparda?”
    Yes I am quoting Marvel between paragraphs.

  2. spineshark says:

    I’ve done a few full runs but right now I’m trying to get consistent on the 5 hard missions (stupid platforming levels that Vergil sucks at (for example second vid in this post), the chessboard/boss rush, the hardest boss in the game and a fun/dumb level where you have infinite devil trigger but it drains your health + has Vergil’s other sucky boss) and make myself learn a couple of other obscure/annoying tricks that you only get one shot to pull off (like a long dive kick in one of the early levels). I usually try to pick 2-3 and grind them a few times, then play a string of the game at once.

    Flicky’s going to be great I’m sure, but there’s not gonna be any gunslinger swag (too slow), royalguard smackdowns (too demanding and risky), or doppelganger silliness (a style you get from a late-game boss that lets Dante summon a second Dante that can be AI controlled or (in SE) with a second controller, but it uses DT meter super fast and most bosses have comboability limits so you don’t actually get more damage against them). Don’t know if he’s going for Trickster or Swordmaster (in this case it’s basically preference, Swordmaster has bigger advantages in fresh game) but it’ll look cool either way. Not really expecting my combat to be super polished, although pretty much anything looks crazy awesome in this game because of the way it’s designed. Effective movement saves more time than better button-mashing overall and the most efficient combo in the game (for either character, once Dante gets Beowulf) is the dive loop (literally, Divekick -> Jump right when it touches -> repeat) you see in that first Dante video, but it’s kind of finicky and hard to hit 100% since timing is based entirely on what you’re running into. So my biggest worries are not about impressing people but just holding confidence and not breaking my hand.

    Practice routine is going to step up a lot after NEC, and I’m likely to take a break from…all the fighting games I’m trying to juggle right now, although I’ll probably still try to make a couple gatherings. If one stays in it’ll probably actually be Tekken since even though it’s super stressful it’s slower and less spastic and people actually play it.

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